Thursday, May 15, 2014

What is going on here!

Joseph Smith is trying to tell us something very important within Ezekiel 14.
There are modern teachings I'd like to highlight as contrast.  Please family and friends, consider this carefully.

"President Joseph Smith read the 14th chapter of Ezekiel--said the Lord had declared by the Prophet, that the people should each one stand for himself, and depend on no man or men in that state of corruption of the Jewish church--that righteous persons could only deliver their own souls--applied it to the present state of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints--said if the people departed from the Lord, they must fall--that they were depending on the Prophet, hence were darkened in their minds, in consequence of neglecting the duties devolving upon themselves, envious towards the innocent, while they afflict the virtuous with their shafts of envy."
TPJS p.237

"The Israelites prayed that God would speak to Moses and not to them; in consequence of which he cursed them with a carnal law."
TPJS p.322

Ezeikel 14 was a real eye opener to me.  I'll make a post of just that for your convenience.

Contrast it with the following:

"Now we ask you to come and follow us, as we follow the Savior."
Last 30 seconds of this clip in the 2013 WORLDWIDE leadership training.

"As we follow President Monson and try to be more like him, we will inevitably succeed in being more faithful disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ".
Last months Ensign.  (This entire talk is a TRIP! imho)

"If your faith is a little tested in this or any season, I invite you to lean on mine."
Elder Holland April 2013

"Before I left, I spoke with our beloved prophet, President Thomas S. Monson, who relishes such errands for the Lord. With respect borne not only of his office but also of his goodness, I asked, “What do you want me to do? What do you want me to say?”
He tenderly took my hand, as he would have done with each one of the victims and each of those helping with the devastation had he been there, and said:
“First, tell them I love them.
Second, tell them I am praying for them.
Third, please thank all those who are helping.”
-Elder Rasband.

"Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."
-Jesus Christ

Ezekiel 33
31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

32 And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument: for they hear thy words, but they do them not.

If Joseph Smith, Ezeikel, and Christ can't persuade, perhaps Brigham Young and Pres. Packer can.

"Brethren, this Church will be led onto the very brink of hell by the leaders of this people. Then God will raise one mighty and strong spoken of in the 85th section of Doctrine and Covenants, to save and redeem this Church." ( The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, Volume 4, pp 2478-2479)

President Packer-24 years ago!:
"In recent years I have felt, and I think I am not alone, that we are losing the ability to correct the course of the church. You cannot appreciate how deeply I feel about the importance of this present opportunity unless you know the regard, the reverence, I have for the Book of Mormon and how seriously I have taken the warnings of the prophets, particularly Alma and Helaman.

Both Alma and Helaman told the church in their day. They warned about fast growth, the desire to be accepted by the world, to be popular, and particularly they warned about prosperity. Each time those conditions existed in combination, the church has drifted off course. All of those conditions are present in the church today.

Helaman repeatedly warned, I think four times he used these words, that the fatal drift of the church could occur in the space of not many years. In one instance it took only six years."
Let Them Govern Themselves, Reg. Rep. Seminar, March 30, 1990

Then I hear statements like this:

"I do know that the Prophet is the only position we know and have been promised that if we follow him and he does something wrong or misguides us we are not held accountable, so I'm good with that. If that makes me a blind follower then I'm ok with that to."
-Facebook commentator who shall remain anonymous. But I've heard many similar statements.

"We have heard men who hold the priesthood remark that they would do anything they were told to do by those who preside over them [even] if they knew it was wrong; but such obedience as this is worse than folly to us; it is slavery in the extreme; and the man who would thus willingly degrade himself, should not claim a rank among intelligent beings, until he turns from his folly. A man of God would despise the idea. Others, in the extreme exercise of their almighty authority have taught that such obedience was necessary, and that no matter what the saints were told do by their presidents they should do it without any questions. When Elders of Israel will so far indulge in these extreme notions of obedience as to teach them to the people, it is generally because they have it in their hearts to do wrong themselves." Joseph Smith

Isaiah 64
6 But we have sinned; we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee; for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.

"I told the people that if they would not believe the revelations that God had given, He would suffer the devil to give revelations that they -- priest and people -- would follow after. Have I seen this fulfilled? I have.

I told the people that as true as God lived, if they would not have truth, they would have error sent unto them and they would believe it."
-Brigham Young

WE GET WHAT WE ASK FOR!
If you want a preacher, you'll get a preacher.
If you want true messengers (angels from the Lord's presence) you'll get true messengers.
If you want a temple, you'll get a temple.
If you desire The Lord's presence, you'll get The Lord's presence.

(Hugh Nibley had a lot to say about brick and mortar temples vs. the real thing, in "Temples and Cosmos")

So what do you want? Or perhaps I should re-phrase it... What is it, you want?

5 comments:

  1. When you look for faults among mere humans you will always find faults, regardless of status or title. Don't follow the faults. I have always been taught to seek a personal answer for every "truth" taught. Find out for yourself. Pray for a confirmation on every point of doctrine.

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  2. There is no "collective" salvation. We have to be saved individually and personally. Joseph Smith was once asked if Mormon's would be the only ones in the celestial kingdom. He answered, "YES!, but many Mormon's will NOT make it there either". I personally believe that he also meant to include many of those who accept the gospel in the spirit world. Only Christ can judge who will and who will not be accepted. Put your faith in the power of the atonement.

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    1. Great comments! I especially like "there is no collective salvation.." Thats spot on in my opinion. One thing I think about though is, what is considered as finding faults? Would Isaiah, or Lehi, Nephi, Jeses etc... Be considered as fault finders? I too believe it's of little to no use to point out flaws in others, and only causes personal damage.

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  3. Agreed. My point with "finding faults" is that I cannot think of a single prophet in the scriptures to didn't screw up pretty big time at some point - yet they were still prophets and still called of God. With that said, we MUST seek out our OWN testimony of EVERY word. As for Judging faults - there IS a difference between righteous judgements and unrighteous judgements (See Moroni 7:15) - but it's hard for me to know the difference sometimes.

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